Racist NSW

A survey by Professor Dunn and his team from the University of Western Sydney, has revealed that 40% of Australians believe that some ethnic groups do not belong in the country. The survey was carried out for the Anti-Racism Research Project and showed NSW leading the charge as the country’s most racist state (46%).  Add in the pollster-embarassment factor (most racists do not like to openly admit as much), and the actual figure is probably much higher.

People were asked which cultural/ethnic groups do not fit into Australian society. 

“The most often-mentioned groups were Muslims or people from the Middle East”, said Dunn.

“It’s too high isn’t it, we’ve got to bring that down.”

The good Prof is right. It is too high and does not bode well for harmonious community relations.  But before exploding into a fit of self-righteous rage, he might pause momentarily to consider why a religious group was singled out in a report on racism.  He might also want to reflect on why certain groups are singled out (e.g. Middle Eastern) and not others, of whom there are many more (e.g. Chinese).  Most racists just hate people who look and sound different to them.  They are simple folk and they don’t generally discriminate.

Quite possibly Australia is just the most viciously racist country on the planet.  Or this may be a cultural issue.

36 thoughts on “Racist NSW

  1. either way…hating people for being different to you, whether its religion, race, or choice in socks…is a bit shit.

  2. I’m going with cultural… It’s not ideal, but I’d say it’s natural. This always happens with new groups, but tends to subside after some assimilation has taken place. (And before someone calls me on it, I believe assimilation is a two way thing… both cultures change. I think “integration” is the word of choice atm)

    Maybe NSW respondents were simply more frank… Or maybe our immigrant cultures are more grouped together than in other areas… Or, more likely, maybe we simply have more immigrants in NSW, and so we see the effects of that.

    If some cultures are “less welcomed” than others, perhaps it is because they cause resentment by resisting any form of integration… or perhaps they are simply the most recently introduced culture… or perhaps a combination of the two.

  3. I think assimilation should take place!
    The muslims who flew jets into the Towers were recent immigrants. American Muslims of the 2nd or 3rd generation have not been implicated. They have accepted the American belief that it is up to them to adapt to their new country, not the other way around. The American ideal of assimilation works, and we should insist on immigrants agreeing to it before we let them in.

  4. I think these kind of surveys can appeal to racist people.
    If someone asked me a question like “which cultural/ethnic groups do not fit into Australian society?”
    I would refuse to answer because I would say a type of individual is not suited to Australian society, not a group. I reckon the questions were probably loaded in this manner.

    The correct answer to the above question would be “none of the above” but that may not have been an option. And your average Australian probably didn’t realise the problem in the question itself, especially if they didn’t give the survey much thought.

    Perhaps non-racist people would refuse such a survey, knowing that the question itself is assuming racism in the responder by grouping individuals. If so, this would then skew the results towards racism.

    The article doesn’t seem to mention the actual questions.

    Or perhaps most people are highly collectivist in their thinking and therefore our culture is indeed racist, as a secondary consequence of being collectivist – classifying people into all sorts of groups: poor, rich, black, white, old, young, male, female, etc.

    How about the actual reality: Individual!

    It’s also telling to note that the journalists, in this case the Daily Telegraph do not critically analyse the survey or its questions.
    Most newspapers don’t for these type of surveys. But this again probably shows the low levels of critical thinking ability in our society.

    I’d say this Dunn professor bloke is a racist himself even though he likes to get on his high horse and think he’s not. Of course, he benefits from racism because that’s what his useless research grants depend on.

  5. If Australians hate one another they sure like to marry outside their group. The intermarriage rate is around 75% for people outside of the Muslim culture which is around 17%. I’m not not is the last figure is even good or bad as it may not matter. It could mean lots of things about Muslims.

    The idea that Australia is largely racist is absurd.

    I bet this prof is obviously looking for funding.

  6. The intermarriage rate for Muslims is probably low because the non Muslim has to convert to Islam as a condition of marriage (given that changing religions for Muslims is a big no no). Not many people would want to go through that or would have to be very committed to do so.

  7. “They have accepted the American belief that it is up to them to adapt to their new country, not the other way around.”

    Whilst I agree that new immigrants need to adapt to our lifestyle, I do believe it’s a two-way street in many respects. I don’t mean that the host country has to go out of their way to accommodate new arrivals (as the PC-crowd seem to)… I simply mean, that as new immigrants adapt to the culture of their new country, the culture of the new country is itself enriched with new customs, etc… however, I see this as simply a natural evolution – one that doesn’t need (and should resist) government attempts to define what the culture should be.

    I do, however, believe that government has a role in ensuring that the culture of new immigrants is compatible with our freedoms and way of life. Since this is akin to saying that some cultures “don’t belong,” the survey may conclude that I’m one of the racists. *sigh*

  8. The highest rate of ‘racism’ is in Sydney, the lowest is in Canberra. What does that tell you? that Canberrans are saints?

    No I think it means people in the busiest place are more likely to feel the pressures and stresses of life whereas the comfortable and relaxed Canberrans aren’t and they may get pissed off more easily and want to give vent when they’re asked these survey questions.

  9. Actually, now that I’ve read TFA, I should apologise to the Prof… It seems the thought did seem to occur to him:

    He said NSW ranked highest in most categories but attributed that to Sydney being the country’s focus for immigration.

    “There’s just more cultural diversity here – there’s more opportunity for cross-cultural contact and that means some of them will not be positive ones.”

  10. The intermarriage rate for Muslims is probably low because the non Muslim has to convert to Islam as a condition of marriage (given that changing religions for Muslims is a big no no). Not many people would want to go through that or would have to be very committed to do so.

    Yes, that’s what i was getting at, thanks.

  11. Here we go, another leftwing ‘Australians are racist’ BS survey. Actually I think we are a fairly tolerant bunch, especially given we are all, apart from pure blood Aboriginals, immigrants or descendants of immigrants. Perhaps the professor should try surveying the citizens of Malaysia or Japan and compare the results with here.

    Also, like many academics in the humanities, the good professor seems to be making the popular PC leftwing mistake of equating cultural judgements with racial ones. e.g. I abhor the notion that any race is inherently superior or inferior to other races, but I do think that some cultures are better than others, and there are some aspect of some foreign cultures I don’t want to see in Australia. Depending on how the survey questions are worded, this would probably classify me as a ‘racist’, like Fleeced.

    Of course there is some racism here (as in pure prejudice based on a belief that other races are inferior), there always will be unfortunately. But compared to much of the rest of the world we tend to accept immigrants more readily, even those of different cultures. Sometimes it takes a generation or two and for the immigrant population to make a good show of integrating into the community – e.g. the Greek, Chinese and Vietnamese immigrants all experienced some prejudice in the early waves of immigration which has now reduced – I don’t hear that much anti-Asian or anti-Greek racism now.

    The Middle Eastern / Muslim immigrant population will probably go through the same thing, though if some of them are driven to radical Islam it may be more of a problem. But then we’ll be talking about religious/political differences, not racial prejudices.

  12. Excuse my bluntness. I’m not from Sydney and have only been there once but could the reason that Sydney polled higher be that there are more ‘Lebs’ in Sydney?

  13. papachango

    i would agree with you. my experience of Australians is of a far more liberal and welcoming people than the Brits. people seem to have a relaxed attitude to strangers provided they dont impose their values and culture on them.

    e.g. i will not make any new friends by constantly going on about Manchester United. Go the Sea Eagles 🙂

  14. But then we’ll be talking about religious/political differences, not racial prejudices.

    this left wing prof, ought to start going around Ozblogs and see how people view christianty…:-)

  15. It is only a natural human reaction for people living in States where there are higher concentrations of immigrants, for their to be animosity.
    This is because politicians have opened the flood gates whilst at the same time not supporting financially or according to natural law, the procreation of enough local Australians to have childrne in order for growth to occur.
    It is normal for people to feel resentment and sadness, even anger, about this situation.

  16. It is normal for people to feel resentment and sadness, even anger, about this situation.

    Feeling resentment about what, mitchell? that people aren’t having enough unprotected sex and avoiding kids? that’s your resentment? And you’re taking this ought on the newly arrived? good one fella.

  17. Oh I shoulda known, better than to respond. Mitchell is from the DLP.

    Hey Mitchell is that group still around? That’s a sure blast from the past.

  18. Can I add, maybe one of the reasons that Sydney has the highest percentage is that that is where most of the migrants live AND these “racist” views are widely held in the migrant communities? That marrying outside the group is wrong bit – you can’t tell me that wasn’t coming from recent migrants. But we better not go too far down this path, taken to it’s logical conclusion we should cut migration to reduce racism, and that is not the result we are looking for here….

  19. I really enjoy well-founded assertions with heaps of data to back them up:
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    The good Prof is right. It is too high and does not bode well for harmonious community relations.
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    Yep all those Muslims in Carlton and Brunswick near me. Every day it’s just a struggle to avoid repeating the 17th century all over again. Blood on the streets.
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    Quite possibly Australia is just the most viciously racist country on the planet.
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    Absolutely. That’s why our history is plagued with pogroms, race riots and such….
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    Oh wait.

  20. Australians believe that some ethnic groups do not belong in the country
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    This is an Australian tradition. The ethnic group that doesn’t belong here is always the last off the boat. Before Muslim Mid-East/Africans it was the Vietnamese, before that Wogs, before that the Chinese, the Irish all the way back to a certain load of boat people washing up in Darling Harbour in 1788. I believe the first thing the locals said was: fuck off! (Well more polite.)
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    15 years from now it’ll probably be Latin Americans and you can bet there will be at least one Muslim member of One Nation saying there goes the neighborhood.

  21. “He might also want to reflect on why certain groups are singled out (e.g. Middle Eastern) and not others, of whom there are many more (e.g. Chinese)”

    I’m not sure when you got here pommy, but it really took until the early 90s until Chinese and other Asians stopped getting harassed despite being essentially harmless. What that shows is that groups do get pointlessly harassed. It seems to me that some of the more recent disliked groups have simply decided it is more fun to be the hunter than the hunted, and some of the “Aussies” don’t seem to like that.

  22. what i’m getting at, conrad, is that perhaps the good Professor should ask why certain groups are less popular than others.

  23. I can’t imagine why the Middle Eastern types are singled out.

    I mean, lots of other ethnic groups hang around in groups and beat up skips. And harass skip girls at the beach. Or think it’s a badge of honour to root a skip girl (whether she wants to or not, eh Bilal?) but go back to the mother country to meet a nice wife chosen by the family.

    Or is it racist to say that?

  24. Pommy, I don’t disagree that part of the problem is on the groups themselves, but as the Asian experience from about the year they came in the gold rush to 1990 shows, some groups can certainly be unfairly targeted. If they react in a nasty manner (which Asian groups generally haven’t but other groups have) and become less popular because of it, it isn’t clear to me where blame lies. If I was constantly hassled, I’d probably want to hang around in a gang for protection too. Would I be wrong for doing that?
    Given this, I think that the situation is complex, and putting blame entirely on one side is incorrect. I also think that worrying about things like intermarriage, integration and so on are crazy — who cares if groups don’t intermarry and don’t care about certain aspects of Australia culture? If groups stick to themselves (like the rather large number of orthodox Jews in my neighborhood do, for example), then big deal. Similarly, if they stick within the law (and perhaps even general social norms) I don’t see what the worry is. Even if that means doing socially unacceptable things within their own community (like the things that say I and presumably you find oppressive), I don’t see what the big deal is either — it’s a free world, yet Australians feel obliged to constantly whinge and whine about these things, despite not being personally affected by them.

  25. Kuta, Australian Embassy Indonesia, Cronulla, sheiks meat, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, beheadings, kidnapping, ransom, S11, suicide bombers, London bus, Spanish trains, terrorism, 200 churches torched across Australia over the last couple of years. Professor Dunce why don’t you ask about these things above and who is responsible or is this racist?

  26. Just a question: isn’t Sydney also the most ethnically diverse city in Australia, and perhaps one of the most diverse in the world?

    People just don’t get along sometimes. Sometimes they might resort to name calling.

  27. Or could it be that Australia has a long tradition of hating the newcomers. We did it with the Italians, Greeks, Chinese, Vietnamese etc, etc, etc. The fact that people say are afeared of “middle eastern muslims” as opposed to just dudes from the middle east just goes to show what particular flavor of nonsense the Australian public at large has in it’s silly head.

    We get over it eventually but I don’t like it when people who have never had to work for their living start talking about things needing to be “done”. They usually mean ban which is the dumbest thing you can do with bad thought. It sends it underground where is can fester safely in it’s own ignorance.

    Racism and other such lazy ideas are like golden staff. It don’t do well when they have to compete with superior ideas but if you artificially create an environment free of other ideas then it will thrive unchecked.

  28. Ben

    there’s undoubtedly an element of hating the newcomer. however, this doesnt explain what is happening in Britain now. and i suspect Australia.

    the Eastern Europeans are the current ‘newcomers’ on the block in the UK. but they have assimilated extremely well, have got jobs, dont commit any more crime than the locals and are in fact now returning to their home countries.

    in contrast, the Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities have been in Britain since WWII. the worrying aspect of these communities is that their grandchildren are moving ever further away from British culture and customs not closer. witness the setting up of specialist Sharia courts last week as part of a trend.

    it is this aspect that is concerning.

    nicholas is right – without integration, there is no community, just people living in the same town.

  29. True, in the 1950s, the Australian Government decided it needed to make films for Australian kids to watch, so they wouldn’t pick on the Pommy immigrants and beat them up.

    I believe I have seen them played on the Australian History Channel at some point.

  30. Well

    unless the surveys were meant to be limited to white-bread, red neck anglo-celtic Australians, ( which is what everyone seems to be assuming )

    for a country with a very high immigrant population, an extrapolated ‘40%’ of the population being ‘racist’ means a fair slab of new and first generation Aussies are also saying certain groups are not assimilating.

    Hint, hint – various members of non-anglo ethnic or cultural groups seem to have problems with other groups. Surprise !!

    And this may explain the observation: “about one in 10 people said it was not good for people of different cultures to marry”. Yup – if you are in one of those traditionalist cultural or religious groups, you tend to not like your young ‘uns marrying outside the community. But not quite the implied spin we are getting in the story, is it ?

    But are Australians the international moral pariahs yet again that we can expect the commentariat to come running out of the box with ( Hello Germaine ).

    Prof Dunn is forced to concede “Australia’s level of racist views, ….. remain low by international standards. ”

    No lynchings, necklacing, no green lines – but heaven forbid anyone in the Victim Industry concede that good old ‘Stralia actually manages to blunder along in a halfway decent fashion !

  31. pommygranate- …the good Professor should ask why certain groups are less popular than others.
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    Indeed.
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    David – I can’t imagine why the Middle Eastern types are singled out… I mean, lots of other ethnic groups hang around in groups and beat up skips.
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    Is this behaviour typical of Middle-Eastern men or young men? I’m not saying either way. But the Western Suburbs of Sydney are awash with Gansta Rap culture which celebrates gang violence and racial animosity to a certain extent.
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    I used to live in a neighborhood with shitloads of Africans. Most of ’em are very hardworking, decent, friendly, inclusive and polite. But a section of teenage boys have bought into the whole Gangsta Rap thing and believe that, as ‘niggaz’, they are feared by white guys (This is not America dickhead). So they act like clowns. As teenage boys do.
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    If groups stick to themselves…and stick within the law I don’t see what the worry is
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    Well if they have exclusive attitudes to you. If you get rude treatment in a Chinese restaurant because Caucasian for example it will piss people off and it’s rude. Likewise and more especially if there’s a racially based employment policy. There are stacks of Chinese restaurants that put Help Wanted signs in the window – in Chinese.
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    Now if I opened an Irish pub and said: Micks only. There’d be trouble.

  32. Pommy,

    The only people who think that Australia is some big, bad racist country are those who’ve never lived in other countries (as distinct from only visited).

    === “It’s only about one in 10 people now in Australia across the different states that would have that sort of view – the racial supremacists for instance,” Prof Dunn said. ===

    It’s only about one in 10 who think the US government planned 9/11, or that Elvis is still alive, or that JFK was shot by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald…

    Australia is one of the most tolerant nations there is and certainly more tolerant than any of the Western European nations.

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